- Track 1, Transcript p.29-31
- Favor, Fred, 1911-1982, Interviewee
- Adler, Rhea Saul, 1906-1990, Interviewer
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- Interview with Fred Favor by Rhea Adler in Wilmette, December 5, 1978.
Born Hyde Park, came to Wilmette at four years of age Wilmette boundary on west at Ridge Road "No Man's Land" between Wilmette and Kenilworth - Gross Point west of Ridge Avenue - originally included some of Kenilworth and Winnetka and some of Evanston Heavily forested - legend of Indian trees just a legend - three different forested areas Early schools - old village hail - early transportation, North Shore line, Chicago Northwestern Early political activity --Earl Orner - C.P. Dubbs Baha'i came to Village - Horace Holly first plan commission Evanston attempt to annex Wilmette Regimes under Harry Kinne and William Alexander prior to all of above were Oscar Schmidt and Father William Netstraetter Wilmette government and schools through the depression years, warrants issued - Herbert Mulford active in finance Tremendous growth of Village 1940's - fire and police departments inadequate to needs -- schools needed Early days --west of tracks, few east/west streets from Green Bay Road to Ridge Road Gross Point geographically dry, but "socially wet" until 1919 (1920-1933 Volstead Act or 18th amendment) - no village charter at Springfield, Illinois Ouilmette family and land grant at Prairie du Chien - 1829 Impetus after fire of 1871 - Llewellyn Park station on Chicago, Milwaukee and St. Paul horse-drawn cabs Condition of streets - Green Bay did not go north of Wilmette (originally called Railroad Avenue) Samuel Insull and North Shore line The formation of Hollister Press - Mike Weber editor 1917-1947 (death) - Jean Ten Broeck
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Fred Favor p.1
RA: And how long did you live in Wilmette?
FF: Fifty-one years. I was born in Hyde Park.
RA: Born here. Interesting. Was it a separate village in those days?
FF: No. Hyde Park had been annexed to Chicago about the year of the
RA: That's interesting, too, but how old were you when you came to Wilmette?
FF: Going on four.
RA: So you do remember a great deal about the village then?
FF: Yes. In those days, of course, it was a much smaller village. I suspect that
there were not more than two or three thousand people. The west boundary is
what is now known as Ridge Road ... what's been long called "No Man's Land,"
that triangle along the lake between Kenilworth and Wilmette was not part of the
village in those days and did not become part of the village until sometime later.
RA: How late?
FF: Just before the Second World War it was annexed.
RA: And what was that called before?
FF: Along the lake there? It was called "No Man's Land" because it belonged
neither to Kenilworth nor to Wilmette. West of Wilmette, in those early days, was
an entirely separate village, the village called Gross Point - named sort of second
hand, I suppose, from the Gross Point at
Fred Favor, cont. 2
which the lighthouse stands in the northern part of Evanston. The village of
Gross Point actually existed until about the time of the first World War and then
dissolved and, a year or so later, most of the territory was taken into Wilmette,
but part of it is now in Evanston and part in Kenilworth and part even in
RA: That is very interesting.
FF: A characteristic of Wilmette in those days and it still is, I think, is that it is
heavily forested. Of course, there were more woods and groves in those days
because there were many patches that had not been built up although basically
today Wilmette resembles very much the Wilmette of 60 years ago - urn - east of
the Ridge. There were, as I said, many wooded areas - the north side of
Chestnut Avenue from the lake to the railroad tracks was Gage's Woods.
RA: Do you think that was virgin timber or had it been cut over once?
FF: I suspect that it had been cut over. There is lot of legend, and erroneous
legend, about some Wilmette trees. They have a peculiar shape and it is always
ascribed to the fact that years ago some Indian marked the trail, but if you do a
little arithmetic, you find that the Indians left long before these trees could have
been planted. The Gage's Woods, however, and in many other groves around
the village had not been tended as a forester
Fred Favor, cont. 3
would, but there were paths through there ... a short cut to the high school for the
young people who lived on the east side of town. There was another grove just
east of the newly created terminal of the Chicago elevated line, bounded by Third
Street and Linden Avenue and Maple Avenue. Most of the southwest corner of
the village was a large woods. Good place to take the kids for a school picnic.
RA: That is east of the tracks or west?
FF: That would be west of the tracks, almost to Ridge. There were a couple of
marshy places. One was Wilmette Avenue which was built through a marsh and
got a little damp when the rains were heavy and the other big marsh was up the
north end of 15th Street about where it intersects Elmwood Avenue, and also
where it now intersects Green Bay Road. There was no Green Bay Road in
those days, but that is about the point at which the marsh came in and all that
was marsh and golf course up there ...Elmwood Avenue.
RA: Do you remember that golf course?
FF: Only vaguely because that disappeared fairly early.
RA: And I believe that is the North Shore golf course now?
FF: I'm still trying to remember. I think that that was the name of it.
RA: I think they went west to Glenview and are flourishing today.
FF: There were two parks in town. There was the big Vattmann
Fred Favor, cont. 4
Park at Lake Avenue and 15th Street. That was the first park we knew about and
they were just beginning to develop the park along the lakefront. Actually, it was
developed largely by encouraging people to dump heavy debris behind the
breakwater and behind the sea wall. And that is all man-made land - land made
out of junk and was filled later with sand and soil and grass. The Park District -
urn - the history of the Park District is that it was created for the purpose of
preserving land area of Wilmette - the lake shore and somehow they picked up
this tract over on Lake Avenue and 15th Street and made a park out of that and
that was the big playground.
RA: About when was that established. Do you remember?
FF: No, because that was..
RA: Well established.
FF: Well established.
RA: I see.
FF: There were only two schools in town in those days. There was the Logan
School which was an eight room brick structure, and then there was the central
School with its annex, called the Byron C. Stolp Building, named after a noted
physician of the area. The Stolp Building was used as a junior high school way
back in those days. The kids went through fifth grade at the Logan School or the
Central School and then moved over to the Stolp Building for their junior high
school years - sixth, seventh and eighth grade - something like that.
Fred Favor, cont. 5
The main business district, the - what we would call in those days the main
business district, at the intersection of Central and Wilmette Avenue, looked then
very much as it does today. The only building that I can remember drawn in since
world - the first world war was the one at the southwest ... no, the southeast
corner of that intersection, opposite the ex-village hall property - the old village
hail, the one with the pillars - the one that looked like a truncated Parthenon.
FF: That had been built when we arrived in Wilmette. Of course, our main
transportation was sometimes the Northwestern Railroad, but more likely to be
the North Shore Electric Line which, in those days, terminated in Evanston with a
connection to the elevated line and wandered its way up through all the north
shore suburbs and eventually got to Milwaukee. They later built a line through the
Skokie Valley. Of course, both those lines have been long since abandoned.
RA: Although the right of way of the Skokie Valley is still there, I guess, along the
FF: The Wilmette property is....
RA: The, North Shore property.
FF: Of course they never owned a great deal of property in Wilmette because to
get from the main Wilmette district and make their connection to the elevated
line, they had
Fred Favor, cont. 6
to use Greenleaf Avenue.
RA: That was supposed to have been temporary, was it not, with the eventuality
that they would parallel the Northwestern?
FF: Parallel the Northwestern to Evanston and go east on a line just north of
Dyche Stadium somewhere on a line with Isabella Street and Central Street.
RA: Which was the original boundary of the Ouilmette Reservation?
FF: Which was Central Street. Evanston was the original boundary. of the
Ouilmette Reservation. Actually the line between Evanston and Wilmette and
between New Trier Township and Evanston Township has - was juggled a little
bit in the early days which accounts for its irregularity today.
RA: Um hum. This is very interesting. Now you've set the stage, so to speak,
geographically on what the community was like early. What do you remember as
an editor about what went on in the village of Wilmette - politically, socially,
FF: I'll start with politically.
RA: All right.
FF: Vigorous political campaigns are not new to Wilmette. I can recall one such
about 1923 when Malcolm MacCurtcher was opposing the current village
president, who was Edward Zipf. And Mr. MacCurtcher, a lawyer, and active in
veterans affairs knew that his primary attack (indistinct) in the previous year's
Memorial Day Parade, Mr. Zipf had
Fred Favor, cont. 7
not removed his hat with sufficient alacrity when the flag went by.
RA: Most interesting.
FF: One of the chief political figures in those days was Earl Orner. He was village
clerk about the beginning of the century and for 20 years thereafter, and then he
served three of those two year terms as village president and, indeed, many
years later came out of retirement and made an unsuccessful attempt to jump
back into village affairs. His popularity arose from the fact that for an enormous
number of years he was the ticket agent for the Chicago Northwestern Railroad
in Wilmette. A turbulent public figure, and a most interesting one, was a Mr. C. P.
RA: Oh, yes.
FF: Mr. Carbon P. Dubbs.
RA: The P was for Petroleum, wasn't it?
FF: Well, there was a legend to that effect, but it may have been adopted by Mr.
Dubbs himself. We don't know.
RA: I see.
FF: He was a man of considerable wealth which was derived from the fact that
he and his father held patent on a method of refining oil - crude oil. And he had a
beautiful big house, second biggest house, perhaps, here in Wilmette, over there
on Michigan Avenue on lake property.
Fred Favor, cont. 8
RA: Near where the Michigan Shores Club now is. Right?
RA: Just north.
FF: That is correct. Just north of the Michigan Shores Club. Yes. I said that was
the second biggest house because an enormous castle was once constructed by
a member of the Goldblatt family and that was located just south of the harbor
and east of Sheridan Road.
RA: May I question - did they build it or did they buy it?
FF: They bought it. That is correct. The first owner was an architect, I believe, by
the name of Benjamin Marshall.
RA: Right. Were you ever in that house?
FF: Oh, only after I was (indistinct) from the Goldblatt family and there was an
attempt to sell it to the community as a community house. One of the most
interesting and certainly a world famous (indistinct) is across the street ...across
Sheridan Road from the Goldblatt side, the Baha'i Temple. A little group, I well
remember, acquired that property, oh, about 1915 or 1920, perhaps, and slowly,
step by step, began the creation of what we irreverently allude to as "The Divine
RA: Yes, and it has just this past few weeks been made a national landmark.
FF: Yes. There was a great deal of opposition - there always
is when a new denomination comes into a neighborhood
Fred Favor, cont. 9
a great deal of opposition, and I think there might have been some litigation in
the early days to keep the members from erecting their temple. Actually the first
structure was rather unsightly. It was simply a round building.
RA: Concrete basement, wasn't it?
FF: Concrete basement and it was painted black.
RA: With tar paper over the top of it. That was what existed when we came to
Wilmette in 1932. That was all there was.
FF: That's right, but it wasn't too long thereafter when they began the
construction of the temple as we know it today.
RA: Only as they acquired the money to do so.
FF: Only as they acquired the money to do so did they proceed.
RA: And I believe it was the first one ever to have been built outside Haifa, wasn't
FF: As I remember, this is the first of - outside that
RA: Now they have numerous ones in the world. In Germany there's one. They
show those to you when you go in to see their movie.
FF; One of my good friends, the late Horace Holly, was for many years the
RA: Oh, yes. He was very active in the village of Wilmette, was he not?
FF: He was indeed. And he was a member of the first historical commission.
RA: Oh, yes.
Fred Favor, cont. 10
FF: Nevertheless, although the Baha'i people are good neighbors in Wilmette,
and have been for many years, their arrival touched off a renewed interest in
zoning. About 1920 the first Plan Commission was organized and, if you can find
a copy of their report, possibly in the basement of your Library, you'd find that
Wilmette did not grow in accordance with that original plan. Those people were
thinking in terms of a village that would be confined by the lake on the east and
the Ridge on the west. They never seemed to have envisioned any growth west
of Ridge Road and it may be that they did their work, and that was part of the
village of Gross Point.
RA: Now, let me ask you this. Do you remember the attempt by Evanston to
FF: Yes, indeed.
RA: Could this have come out of that?
FF: Undoubtedly it did.
RA: This is an interesting point which no one seems to have brought up before,
but we do have in the Archival Vertical files in Wilmette material on the Evanston
attempt to annex Wilmette.
FF: I don't know how serious that was and certainly it was never taken too
seriously in Wilmette. It just didn't seem that Wilmette would gain anything from
such an annexation.
RA: This is what the papers revealed - that the village fathers
Fred Favor, cont. 11
of that day felt very keenly that there was more to be lost than to be gained.
FF: That was in Mr. Zipf's day and he...
RA: Was it?
FF .. ..opposed that with his characteristic zeal.
RA: Do you remember any other regimes other than Mr. Zipf's and Mr. Dubbs'?
FF: Well, there was Mr. Orner, in between and then, of course, Mr. Dubbs was
followed by Mr. Harry Kinne and he by Mr. William Alexander.
RA: These are the sequence of the 20th century presidents.
FF: I cannot go back for certain before Mr. Zipf's time, although Mr. Oscar
Schmidt was in there and the most - I think the century began with a most
interesting village president. He served three times, although at short intervals,
and that was the Reverend William Netstraetter, pastor of St. Joseph's Church.
RA: He served as village president?
FF: He did indeed ... on three occasions.
RA: I am very interested in that because I have had people tell about his interest
in establishing the high school.
FF: Yes, indeed, and was on the first Board of Education....
FF: ....of the high school.
RA: But I hadn't realized that he had been village president. You see, when the
high school established in 1900, by law
Fred Favor, cont. 12
five people were to be elected to the Board by a sort of gentleman's
agreement. Although they were elected at large by the entire township, each of
the five communities that made up the township in those days was allocated one
representative, and Father Netstraetter was elected as the member from Gross
Point although the church was always in Wilmette on the east side of the Ridge.
RA: That is interesting and he....
FF: I misspoke. The original Wilmette only went to 15th Street, but the
annexation shortly after the incorporation took it all the way to the Ridge so that
there was a common boundary very early.
RA: Oh, yes. There was a man who was township commissioner when I first
came to Wilmette who was an elderly gentleman who lived, I believe, on Forest
or Walnut. Do you recall him?
FF: I will in about day after tomorrow and I'll let you
know. We shall amend the tape accordingly.
RA: I have tried to recall his name. Helen Rye was very active when I first came
to the village in trying to re-elect him to the Board of Supervisors. I think it was
County then. He served on the Cook County Board of Supervisors. I used to
remember his name, but that was my first introduction to politics in the village of
FF: Well, in your own area you came about ten years too late for one of the
Fred Favor, cont. 13
that was started by the fact that in those days the zoning permitted multiple
family buildings in certain areas about the business district and one of those
was the northeast corner of Linden Avenue and 5th Street.
RA: 5th Street...in what we call the Linden Crest apartments?
FF: The Linden Crest apartments. And that, 50 years ago, raised a tremendous
furor and resulted in (indistinct) restricted zoning for the rest of the village.
RA: I see. This is very interesting that it began that early because there wasn't
much discussion of zoning....
FF: Well, you will find in the literature of that day - it seems too bad that...
RA: They are doing that now.
FF: Because if those could be found, you would find a rather vigorous literary
style. I am afraid that that sort of writing has passed away, probably because of
the rigor of the Illinois libel laws.
RA: Well, all writing has had its.
FF: We're far more polite now.
RA: And there is less flavor, let's say, to the writing today than there is when you
go back and read 19th century books.
FF: When Mr. Dubbs campaigned for re-election - I think in 1931 - on a very
restrictive zoning platform ... the literature is interesting to read now in a
historical perspective, but it has a little bit of a bite to it.
Fred Favor, cont. 14
RA: (Indistinct) may have some of that from Mr. Dubb's time because I found the
date that he was elected to the village president - '31 - I think you're very right.
FF: And the other campaign issue in those days was a master street plan which
was subject to all sorts of misinterpretation. The group who drew up the street
plan had allowed for not only the paved part of the street, but the parkway along
the side which did and probably still do belong to the village and not the property
owner and, of course, that increased the width of the street enormously. Many
people misunderstood that and thought that the village.
RA: They were taking their property.
FF: They were taking all the parkway, too.
RA: Oh, I can see how that would create quite a furor.
FF: That created quite a furor and quite a large number of votes, but the
extension of Wilmette began right after the World War. The Village of Gross
Point went out of existence ...ceased to be. That was for several months
unincorporated territory. There was an early movement to annex to Wilmette. I
think the first chunk that was taken in took the village as far west as Locust Road.
Isn.'t that the diagonal street?
RA: No. That's a straight street. Oh, Illinois Road.
FF: Illinois Road is the one I mean - was the first jump and then Locust Road -
was the second and then west as far as anybody was willing to come into
Wilmette, and they -
Fred Favor, cont. 15
Wilmette rushing west and Glenview rushing east and on the same day they both
annexed the same territory and it took a long court battle to decide who or which
would have what and that accounts for the jagged boundary of Wilmette on the
RA: Is this also the reason why the school district boundary and the village
boundary do not coincide because part of the people of Glenview are in the
Wilmette school district?
FF: No. That is the fact that we haven't yet caught up with history. District 39,
which is what we call the Wilmette School District, had co-permanent
boundaries, or nearly so, with Wilmette. Then west of that was the Gross Point
or Highcrest School District. No '4O, if I'm not mistaken.
RA: And that was rural.
FF: And that was rural.
FF: And that was not taken into the Wilmette School District until the early 30's.
And District 37, which was a (Indistinct) than that.
RA: Is now under discussion.
FF: . . . . but it still is an independent district taking in part of Wilmette and
Glenview and Northfield.
RA: And Northfield - right?
FF: But the boundaries, of course, of the school district very seldom coincide with
those of the village because when you annex unincorporated territory you can't
annex the school
Fred Favor, cont. 16
district or part of the school district at the same time. The school districts, after
all, were there first. They've been there since the 1870's, but the growth of
Wilmette west of the Ridge was erratic, but almost immediate. The first was that
strip north of.
RA: Through about the era of Mr. Kinne's tenure in office. What came next
historically in the village?
FF: Well, to go back to the Kinne days, the next thing of importance, I think, that
happened was what Wilmette did not do. In the late 30's the federal government
was providing money for all sorts of public works. Winnetka, our neighbor to the
north, took advantage of that fact to separate the grades of the railroads and the
street, but Kenilworth and Wilmette were unable to go along with that project
although we later calculated that the earth dug out of Winnetka would have been
almost to the cubic yard what Wilmette would have needed for elevation.
RA: For heaven's sakes.
FF: But since there was no cooperation between the villages in that day, and I
suppose there still is not, the people of Wilmette cross the tracks with hazard
while those in Winnetka do so with relative safety.
RA: An they still are doing it that way.
FF: The Kinne days, of course, went from 1935 to 1945. I think Mr. Kinne holds
the record for tenure of office.
RA: Ten years.
Fred Favor, cont. 17
FF: I - those were the first part of his administration were dealing mainly with the
great depression. In the early 30's there was a great deal of tax ... real estate tax
litigation. For several years no real estate taxes were collected in Cook County,
the result being the village and the other local government agencies had to live
on what they could borrow through tax anticipation warrants.
RA: And wasn't that the period of time when the schools were.
FF: Oh, the schools were even worse. They used warrants and they used script. I
remember that for the benefit of the school teachers and the policemen and the
firemen, committees were organized to sell these warrants because otherwise
employees, the teachers and the other employees, would have had to take
warrants instead of salary and ...as many of them had to do, and then dispose
of them at whatever price they could get. The ... of course, the war changed a
great deal of that. The second part of Mr. Kinne's administration was dealing with
the problems that were created by the war itself.
RA: As far as the schools were concerned, wasn't Herbert Mulford very active at
FF: Indeed yes. Herbert Mulford had been active on the Wilmette school board in
the early 20's and after he left that school board, he was on the high school
Fred Favor, cont. 18
for a great number of years. Of course, at the end of the war began the
population explosion - the impact of the people wanting to live in a suburban area
like Wilmette. Growth, of course, was tremendous. A major growth came in the
late 30's, but nothing like what the growth in the late 40's. And it was obvious that
the facilities that Wilmette possessed, the services, all the (Indistinct) would be
inadequate and that problem was addressed by Mr. Alexander when he
succeeded Mr. Kinne.
RA: That would be William Alexander.
FF: William Alexander. William Henry Alexander.
RA: I see. And that was in 1945.
FF: Well, Mr. Alexander had been on the Board for four years previous to that.
Then when Mr. Kinne retired, he was succeeded by Mr. Alexander, but the mere
fact that a great deal of changes were being proposed, generated a great deal of
opposition and people were opposed to spending any money for any purpose. In
fact, it was a common saying that there was a large group of Wilmette people
who wouldn't even finance the second coming if it involved a bond issue.
RA: I had never heard that before.
FF: The...in many ways, the plan for a better Wilmette in '47, '48 was too much
too suddenly for people who were very comfortable as they were, had no contact
with the public schools and were content if the supermarket remained open
Fred Favor, cont. 19
6 days a week. They were not particularly alarmed about the lack of facilities for
the Police and Fire Departments, or for the need for more space for the growing
community and since they never used any of the parks, they didn't care if other
people were also denied parks and playgrounds and they saw in the days when
we thought that it was a good idea to have neighborhood schools. And we didn't
realize what a valuable educational experience it was to bus the kids to
RA: Um ... advantage?
FF: That is the modern philosophy, is it not?
RA: One wonders, doesn't one, as to how valuable it is?
FF: Well, it was easier to convince people, I think, in the newly developing areas
of the community, the west end, that there should be more facilities out there.
You see, the people who lived east of the Ridge had not seen a great deal of
building. That part of the community had been built up by 1920 and there was
only an occasional vacant lot or there was an old corner house that yielded to an
apartment building or a town house, and so those people couldn't get the idea
that the same number of homes would produce more kids, but that's exactly what
happened in the 40's.
RA: That was an explosion that was temporary, too.
FF: Yes. Now I, of course, I suppose...having known how to deal with the
problem of surplus kids for 20 years - we
Fred Favor, cont. 20
wouldn't have all these school buildings on our hands now, but if we could only
have postponed their education, why we could have leveled off this enrollment
RA: Somehow children just don't wait while....
FF: Yes. They just don't wait. That's so true.
FF: But it was necessary, of course, to renovate all of our public schools. I think
all but Laurel got some kind of renovation, didn't they?
RA: But it became so expensive to maintain (Indistinct) school.
FF: Although that was one of the battles of the 1920's....
FF: ...that alternative was, of course, that the kids who came from the "El"
terminal area would have about eight to ten blocks to walk to school, and that
was considered excessive in the days when children walked to school.
RA: And yet - I taped the Weedon sisters and the oldest one, one of the older
ones, Vivian, and they were ecstatic over having walked to school from up in
that area to Central School before Laurel School existed. And they learned on
the way about nature and the board walks. I have a very good tape from the one
in the east.
FF: Well, they may be ecstatic now about that experience, but they were
somewhat less than ecstatic, I suspect, when they had to do it.
Fred Favor, cont. 21
RA: Well, do you really think so when it was the habit of the day that they....
FF: Well, they realized there was no alternative, but they envied the kids who
lived across that street from the school.
RA: Well, that,s probably true.
FF: And they - in those days before Logan School - they had to come all the way
to Central School. They also had some mighty hazardous walking in the winter
and in the spring. I can remember when we moved to Wilmette, our first house
was on 15th Street. That was a dirt road, Highland Avenue, which runs from 15th
west. Was just being paved. It was paved, I think, by the developer. There were
only two or. three houses. The Paddocks lived over there and the Dingys lived
over there and that was all there was between our house and the Ridge. The
street north of that, Washington, although in those days it was Charles Street.
Washington Avenue had been built up, but there were relatively few houses on
Central Avenue and, as I said, very few houses on Highland and south of
Central, the streets had not been cut through. Maple and Gregory were probably
on the map, but nobody had broken ground for a right-of--way.
RA: Well, there was no right-of-way, actually, on the south side of Wilmette
Avenue to Isabella. That was all one long block from 15th Street to the Ridge.
Fred Favor, cont. 22
FF: To the Ridge, right? Although there are some north side streets.
FF: . . . . one of them being named after the Nanzig family.
RA: No longer.
FF: No longer, I know, but it was the custom in those days to name a street for
one of the major property owners down there and where Nanzig Street, which is
probably 16th and 17th or something like that, cuts through now, it was all
wooded. That's probably why Gross Point went into farming and Wilmette went
RA: I had that asked of me.
FF: .. . . because Wilmette was heavily wooded and it would have taken
enormous time and money to clear it. While east of the Ridge, which you know, is
a glacial moraine, west of the Ridge was open country and reasonably dry, but
not too dry and I use that word in two senses. It was very suitable for the
vegetable farming that those people wanted to do. It was later called truck
farming. The philosophy of the two groups was quite different. There were a
number of "refreshment establishments" on the west side of the Ridge, but none
on the east and it was only very recently, I believe, that John Barleycorn has
made any intrusion into Wilmette. Isn't that right?
RA: That's right, but I understand that along Ridge Road, and they may have
been all on the west side, this came
Fred Favor, cont. 23
from one of the Hoffmanns ... that there were 17 taverns....
FF: I'm sure that that was a conservative estimate and most of the revenue of the
old Village of Gross Point was derived from the licenses, and when it became
illicit in 1919 to have a liquor license, it no longer became necessary to pay that
fee to the village and the Village of Gross Point ran out of money and slowly
RA: I see. That is a very interesting point because people always....
FF: And, of course, the zeal of the Wilmette Constabulary ...somewhat erratic, I
believe, at times - kept the lid on the illicit establishments as soon as the
annexation took place.
RA: Well, then, too, the ruralness of Gross Point - I was asked this question,
"Why did I think they never had a village charter as Wilmette did?"
FF: Well, I'm sure that - and this is a legal question that you'll have to refer to
someone learned in the law - Gross Point was unincorporated until after the
passage of the Uniform Cities and Villages Act. So actually, they wouldn't have
had a charter except a "Pro Forma" one in recognition that the action had already
been taken, and they may have had a charter issued by the Illinois Secretary of
RA: No, there was no record.
FF: The trouble is we don't have too many records of the old Village of Gross
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RA: But this is in Springfield because they wrote for one, and my feeble answer
was, "These were German farmers who used to over-taxation, coming over
here to establish new homes, they wanted it to remain rural because they
preferred to pay rural taxes rather than city." The Historical Society has a book
that one of the Gages, Stanley Gage, I believe, did on the genealogical aspects
of the members of the "Ye Olde Settlers" group....
FF: But that tells us very little about the problems of the village.
RA: . . . . of the village. Right?
FF: The Gage (Indistinct) woods, north of Chestnut Avenue were the Gage's
Woods and I suppose it was because there was ... it was Gage property and the
houses that they built are still standing so the name still comes to mind.
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FF: The name still comes to mind, but we don't have any Gage Street in
Wilmette, do we?
RA: No, not that I know. There used to be a Gage Street that ran north and
FF: Well, that may have been in the days when what are now the numbered
streets were named. There was....
RA: That's right. I think it was 13th Street.
FF: There was Alexander Street.
RA: That's right.
FF: And that was named for Alexander McDaniel.
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RA: And that's right.
FF: And they probably picked his first name because Evanston already had...
and I wish they had been as careful when they names an east-west thoroughfare
in Wilmette Central Avenue because it used to be confused all the time with
RA: Still does.
FF: A right-of-way in Evanston and there was ... and there have been legends
built up such as the fact that Antoine's - who was Mrs. Ouilmette? What was her
FF: Archange Ouilmette (Ou-weee-may) was an Indian princess, but she
RA: A half-breed.
FF: Well, she may have been a half or a quarter or an eighth. She was actually a
RA: That's right. She was "Chevalier" was her maiden name.
FF: Chevalier was her maiden name and she was created a French an Indian
princess simply by the treaty of....
RA: Prairie du Chien.
FF: ... Prairie du Chien in....
RA: In 1829.
FF.: Because they wanted to reward her husband, Antoine Ouilmette for his
services during the Fort Dearborn Massacre.
FF: So they couldn't actually give him any Indian land, but
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since his wife had some Indian ancestry, they could make the grant out to them
jointly and thus get around the letter of the treaty.
RA: There were a number of those grants.
FF: But don't forget that while the Mr. and Mrs. Ouilmette or Wilmette got two
sections of land - a section being 600 acres or a square mile - that stretched from
Central Street on the south, 15th Street on the west, and ended on the north, but
looked at the east. Remember that the lake shore cuts in at that point. If you
figure it out - about - more than half of that east section is Lake Michigan is in
Lake Michigan. Well, it is apparent why the Ouilmette's sold off their land with
RA: Well, I thought it was, after....
FF: ...because except when the fishing was good, that was all they could do with
the east end of their territory and it was too wooded to farm.
RA: There was another fact....
FF: And everybody... and, of course, there was the fact that it was so far from
Chicago that it would never be suitable for settlement.
RA: Plus the Blackhawk War.
FF: Plus the Blackhawk War.
RA: And the law that said that all Indians must be moved across the Mississippi.
FF: Yes, but by that time I suppose the idea must have gotten
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into people's heads that the Ouilmettes were Indians.
RA: Well, they did follow the Indians, though, who were their friends.
FF: The Ouilmette children, though - the second generation - followed the....
RA: Mother and Father died out there, too.
FF: When we had this 75th Anniversary together, we found that some of the
RA: Were in California.
FF: We found some also in Council Bluffs.
RA: That's where the father and mother died.
RA: But he did not go out there with them when the family moved out there, but
do you know that it wasn't until 1879 that President Grant finally signed the
release of that land so that they - so that there was clear title to it.
FF: Yes. There was clear title to it because Mr. John Westerfield had begun to
develop (Indistinct) right after the Civil War.
RA: And he was related to the Dingees. His wife was a Dingee and there were
three generations of Dingees that came Out and had eyes on that property from
1833 when the Ouilmette's vacated it to 1872,and Soloman was the first. They
were shipbuilders in Yonkers and then - the next one - never came out here. That
was when Alexander McDaniel was his
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representative out here. He sent him out here for that purpose and he built a
cottage up in Winnetka and lived there five years, single, until this land began ...
they had the sale of 1833 or 1835 ... on the court house steps in Chicago. And
that was when the land began to change hands, but they had no right.
FF: They had no clear title until after the incorporation.
FF: The Dingees were around town for many years. Esther Dingee Bauer was
the second woman who served on the Village Board. I can't remember for the life
of me who....
RA: I had forgotten that she was.
FF: A village trustee. Yes.
RA: Esther? I had forgotten - what was her name? I had forgotten she was a
Dingee. Well, Mrs. McClure, up in Highland Park was also a Dingee. And they
were very active. They raised pickles that they shipped over the Great Lakes and
through the canal down the Hudson down to New York City and I somewhere
saw a record of how many thousands of barrels of pickles.
FF: That was at one time the pickle business ... was one time.
RA: Westerfield ran it.
FF: Yes. It was at one time a big industry.
RA: But there was also Squire Dingee pickles. That was the other brother....
RA: ...but he lived in Chicago and he had no survivors. They according to
interviewer, Rhea Adler, Esther Dunshee Bower, wife of Lorin Bower, was the
second woman who served on the village board
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all died prior to marriage, but that early history that hasn't been really fully
developed, and it should be.